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  Alton Ray Adams May 14, 2013 at 5:44pm

  Chief I apologize if you think I'm against any gay or lesbian there you are wrong. What I'm against is the action. My own nephew is gay, doesn't mean I don't love him, I just don't approve of the life style. It's hard enough living in close quaters with a bunch of guys at sea for days on end it could not be easier for a person who is gay. When we are condemmend for speaking out for our own views then we will become a true socialist state. We can have a discussion about all view points but hold no discontent for those who do not agree with us. Our military was not put in place to be a feel good military but one to make those life and death decision with out carring about sexual orientation. All I have asked of those who worked with or for me was to follow orders and do the best they could. It has to start at boot and grow in meaning of what it means to serve.
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  Lindsey E. Ford HMC (SW) May 14, 2013 at 5:26pm

  Amen Thomas - my comment was not directed at you - because I had not seen your comment - you were writting as I was writting :)
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  Thomas Collier May 14, 2013 at 5:23pm

  In my comment to Alton, I agreed with the trip across the ponds and addressed it as a learning for the youth. Forgive me if out of context I agreed about the treatment of sexual orientations. As a man of the cloth, all Gods creatures are created equal, and should be all treated as brothers and sisters by all mankind.
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  Lindsey E. Ford HMC (SW) May 14, 2013 at 5:13pm

  EXCUSE ME! Where do you get different treatment? They just want to serve their country like the hetrosexuals. You obviously have a problem with them, I do not I have a neice that is lesbian - does not bother me why does sexual orientation bother you and most of your broters and sisters in law enforcement? Have a great day and do not bother to respond to this because I will not respond to anything you say!
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  Thomas Collier May 14, 2013 at 5:03pm

  Alton, I have to agree and find the trip across the waters makes a big difference in the youth. I have 4 boys and 2 have been abroad with one in the CG Law enforcement and trainer, who has almost literally seen the world. The two of them backpacked Europe out of high school. One is now a teacher in the high school system and of course the other in the CG.Big difference between these two and the other two as their approach to cultural understanding, and everyday tasks and confrontations.I have encouraged all my kids to serve in the armed forces or at least get out and see the world in some form way. Opened my eyes!
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  Alton Ray Adams May 14, 2013 at 4:52pm

  It's not the ones who will serve with honor it's the ones who flaunt about being gay that will hurt the military. I served with gays but did not worry about giving them different treatment and this is what I've seen happen in the civilain world. The Navy was and still is the greatest branch to serve in it's going to take those who can still hold firm to the real duties required to be a sailor. Dispcipline is the root to a strong military and without it, it will fail. This can be seen in a lot of the youth today. Could you see any of the new recruits having to run around the grinder with a raised piece above their head yelling I'm a dumb a**. I've worked with law enforcement and the ones who survive boot and timw abroad seem to be able to handle lifes challenges the best.
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  Thomas Collier May 14, 2013 at 4:37pm

  Chief, you are so right about the gays and lesbians. THEY STEPED UP TO SERVE. 
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  Lindsey E. Ford HMC (SW) May 14, 2013 at 4:00pm

  Alton I was there at the same time, only I was in Company 233. My CC was MMC More I believe. I entire world has gotten "touchy feely" when iniations as in Shellback and Chiefs - when people get injured or die - there is something wrong and things need to change. Chief's iniations were changing when I was active - the CNO outlawed live animals, basically the CNO said clean it up or loose it! I agree with that, do not cross the line with having good clean fun and injuring someone. Both of my iniations were just good clean fun, both had safety officers if they said stop, that is exactly what they meant. The CO and XO for both ceremonies made it very clear that these ceremonies would not get out of hand!

  As far as the don't ask don't tell, means absolutely nothing - there have been gays and lesbians in the military for decades. The only difference now is that they can say that they are gay or lesbian. The bottom line is they stepped up and served their country, alot of hetrosexuals can not say that they served their country!
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  Alton Ray Adams May 14, 2013 at 10:19am

  I've been following for the last several weeks and find those of us who went through the 60's and 70's boot camp were the last who had to stand tall to the old traditions. I was there July-AUgust 72 Co. 188, GMG-1 Lopez CC. Caught the last part of Nam with the Marines as door gunner 3rd Marines 1st airwing. grew up a lot and remember those who didn't come home. I just recentlly hired a retired airframer Chief as a safety officer the citys police department. He's working out fine. He also was telling me how things in the Navy are being done these days and it has become so politicially correct you cann't even tack on a crow anymore. When the don't ask don't tell was done away with he said after 22 years that was it and retired. I just hope the nimrodss in Washington don't make us a third world nation by dismanteling our military. I'm sure they don't have the old 4050 unit any more that would be to demeaning for these kids today.
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  Thomas Collier May 14, 2013 at 9:38am

  David, Thanks for the "straight," info. I never really agreed that he was "free basing," as I always saw him as clean as did you.Remember the DC-3's well. Think I read some where that 30 of them still flying.